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		<title>By: Lisa Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2011/02/whats-the-purpose-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-4899</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked reading Will Farris. Your intellect manages to hold two diverging thoughts simultaneously -- there is something valuable in the status quo and that the status quo needs to be changed (i.e., DIU-U), if I understand you correctly.

Who and what are you? I work at an institution of higher education. I have some uncomfortable insights about it, and am really enjoying reading Anya&#039;s blog and those who participate in this discussion. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked reading Will Farris. Your intellect manages to hold two diverging thoughts simultaneously &#8212; there is something valuable in the status quo and that the status quo needs to be changed (i.e., DIU-U), if I understand you correctly.</p>
<p>Who and what are you? I work at an institution of higher education. I have some uncomfortable insights about it, and am really enjoying reading Anya&#8217;s blog and those who participate in this discussion. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Farris</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2011/02/whats-the-purpose-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-4555</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Farris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 15:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two kinds of knowledge human beings historically have sought to acquire for themselves along with two fundamental motivations for such attainment. The first kind of knowledge facilitates the “doing” of something. By way of some form of skilled action this kind of knowledge is brought to bear upon humanity’s efforts to subdue nature in order to promote a better existence upon this earth. This kind of knowledge entails techniques, machines, procedures, and so forth, that is somewhat arbitrary and changes with time. For example, the world of computers is replete with protocols, algorithms, and industry standards that allow for universal compatibility among a plethora of alternatives. However, any significant investment of study into the complexities and uses of these things will more than likely become obsolete and useless with time. Technological obsolescence applies to both the pot and the potter and seems to be a continuous concern among professions and career counselors that it scarcely warrants mentioning. The point is that while diligence in one’s studies of technology may pay near term dividends from a practical perspective, given its invented properties by humans, it stands to be supplanted by newer forms of technology and one should take care in embarking on a protracted effort to master something that may disappear in short order. 

Which brings us to the motivations for the attainment of such knowledge. One, of course, is the more practical of the two, namely a means to earn a living. Investments of time, money, and exertion produce a profitable return. The other motivation is more ontological, as it transforms one’s being into a definable entity for all society to behold. I am a doctor. You are a plumber. This comes with the inevitable stratification of social class, but so what? That is forever the way reality is, and the sooner one learns this the sooner one can make decisions (based on motivation) about those things that contribute to one’s status in society.

The second kind of knowledge speaks to those ideas and facts and skills having an enduring importance and application for anyone anywhere at any time.  Education viewed from a long position focuses on universally recurrent insights and experiences regarding the nature of reality, humanity, or consciousness that ultimately becomes independent of culture or epoch. Put another way, through history some things are inductively learned through experience and then abstracted, or deduced, into more general knowledge that attains a status of truth having widespread applicability. Without this process, how could anyone define any notion of human progress or hope let alone obtain it? 

Since we are all humans presumably embarked on a journey of improvement for ourselves and society it would follow that the most important topics to learn are those that develop the mind. One should teach first about humans, not about devices or technology since these things constantly change.  There are first principles and reasoning skills underlying all else that precede facts and arbitrarily-established standards. I will confess that perhaps certain choices among many possible standards render them less arbitrary, but that can only further show my larger point that reasoning comes first.

All this to say that a classical, trivium-based education has proven time and again to be superior to the Dewey-based pragmatism as a foundation for secondary and tertiary activities (read: trade and professional training) for most intelligent people. Learn the tools of grammar, logic, and rhetoric first then go after more formal or DIY education. Only then can you learn to discern the ubiquitous moonshine from the truth, the sophism of politicians and lawyers from the street view and wisdom of the ages. How can anything be more pragmatic than honing your intuitive senses and reasoning faculties to make better use of limited and ephemeral resources that may come one’s way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two kinds of knowledge human beings historically have sought to acquire for themselves along with two fundamental motivations for such attainment. The first kind of knowledge facilitates the “doing” of something. By way of some form of skilled action this kind of knowledge is brought to bear upon humanity’s efforts to subdue nature in order to promote a better existence upon this earth. This kind of knowledge entails techniques, machines, procedures, and so forth, that is somewhat arbitrary and changes with time. For example, the world of computers is replete with protocols, algorithms, and industry standards that allow for universal compatibility among a plethora of alternatives. However, any significant investment of study into the complexities and uses of these things will more than likely become obsolete and useless with time. Technological obsolescence applies to both the pot and the potter and seems to be a continuous concern among professions and career counselors that it scarcely warrants mentioning. The point is that while diligence in one’s studies of technology may pay near term dividends from a practical perspective, given its invented properties by humans, it stands to be supplanted by newer forms of technology and one should take care in embarking on a protracted effort to master something that may disappear in short order. </p>
<p>Which brings us to the motivations for the attainment of such knowledge. One, of course, is the more practical of the two, namely a means to earn a living. Investments of time, money, and exertion produce a profitable return. The other motivation is more ontological, as it transforms one’s being into a definable entity for all society to behold. I am a doctor. You are a plumber. This comes with the inevitable stratification of social class, but so what? That is forever the way reality is, and the sooner one learns this the sooner one can make decisions (based on motivation) about those things that contribute to one’s status in society.</p>
<p>The second kind of knowledge speaks to those ideas and facts and skills having an enduring importance and application for anyone anywhere at any time.  Education viewed from a long position focuses on universally recurrent insights and experiences regarding the nature of reality, humanity, or consciousness that ultimately becomes independent of culture or epoch. Put another way, through history some things are inductively learned through experience and then abstracted, or deduced, into more general knowledge that attains a status of truth having widespread applicability. Without this process, how could anyone define any notion of human progress or hope let alone obtain it? </p>
<p>Since we are all humans presumably embarked on a journey of improvement for ourselves and society it would follow that the most important topics to learn are those that develop the mind. One should teach first about humans, not about devices or technology since these things constantly change.  There are first principles and reasoning skills underlying all else that precede facts and arbitrarily-established standards. I will confess that perhaps certain choices among many possible standards render them less arbitrary, but that can only further show my larger point that reasoning comes first.</p>
<p>All this to say that a classical, trivium-based education has proven time and again to be superior to the Dewey-based pragmatism as a foundation for secondary and tertiary activities (read: trade and professional training) for most intelligent people. Learn the tools of grammar, logic, and rhetoric first then go after more formal or DIY education. Only then can you learn to discern the ubiquitous moonshine from the truth, the sophism of politicians and lawyers from the street view and wisdom of the ages. How can anything be more pragmatic than honing your intuitive senses and reasoning faculties to make better use of limited and ephemeral resources that may come one’s way?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnH</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2011/02/whats-the-purpose-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-4335</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit pie in the sky and totally divorced from the realities of teaching in inner city schools. If they followed their passions it would 
Facebook
Football
Music</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit pie in the sky and totally divorced from the realities of teaching in inner city schools. If they followed their passions it would<br />
Facebook<br />
Football<br />
Music</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pryor</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2011/02/whats-the-purpose-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-4233</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Pryor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hoping I&#039;ll have an answer to your last question this time next year!  Nice connection between diversity in the system and student empowerment.  How many institutions are struggling with how to &quot;handle&quot; diversity when the answer is sitting right in front of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping I&#8217;ll have an answer to your last question this time next year!  Nice connection between diversity in the system and student empowerment.  How many institutions are struggling with how to &#8220;handle&#8221; diversity when the answer is sitting right in front of them?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Belshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff about student empowerment and not just accepting the existing top-down grading, structure, etc.

Thanks Anya, we appreciate your getting involved in Purpos/ed - we hope you and your readers will get involved by heading over to http://purposed.org.uk and, at the very least, subscribing to out weekly newsletter! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff about student empowerment and not just accepting the existing top-down grading, structure, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks Anya, we appreciate your getting involved in Purpos/ed &#8211; we hope you and your readers will get involved by heading over to <a href="http://purposed.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://purposed.org.uk</a> and, at the very least, subscribing to out weekly newsletter! <img src='http://diyubook.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dkernohan</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2011/02/whats-the-purpose-of-education/comment-page-1/#comment-4224</link>
		<dc:creator>dkernohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel flushed with power, Anya. Flushed.

Nice post - having seen you speak in a DIYU fashion a couple of times I was wondering if you&#039;d mention career and employment in a positive way (you&#039;d have been the first, and would have added a welcome balance to the prevailing ethos of purpos/ed so far - despite what us EduTechLiberals say it is the purpose of education for a lot of people). But then I get this:

&quot;We’re living in a time when the basic principles of Western civilization are under severe scrutiny: how we get our energy, how we make things, move around and feed ourselves, is very likely threatening our future as a species. When the ground under our feet is collapsing in that way, it’s no surprise we’re spotting serious flaws and cracks in the foundation at the level of politics, economics and social institutions.&quot;

Which makes me think of @dougald at Dark Mountain and makes me very happy indeed. It&#039;s the stuff on the margin between business as usual and Dark-Mountain-World that interests me (hence my &quot;roll your own&quot; stuff about degree awarding powers). Glad to see you here too! I look forward to various levels of disagreement between us in the coming year.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel flushed with power, Anya. Flushed.</p>
<p>Nice post &#8211; having seen you speak in a DIYU fashion a couple of times I was wondering if you&#8217;d mention career and employment in a positive way (you&#8217;d have been the first, and would have added a welcome balance to the prevailing ethos of purpos/ed so far &#8211; despite what us EduTechLiberals say it is the purpose of education for a lot of people). But then I get this:</p>
<p>&#8220;We’re living in a time when the basic principles of Western civilization are under severe scrutiny: how we get our energy, how we make things, move around and feed ourselves, is very likely threatening our future as a species. When the ground under our feet is collapsing in that way, it’s no surprise we’re spotting serious flaws and cracks in the foundation at the level of politics, economics and social institutions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which makes me think of @dougald at Dark Mountain and makes me very happy indeed. It&#8217;s the stuff on the margin between business as usual and Dark-Mountain-World that interests me (hence my &#8220;roll your own&#8221; stuff about degree awarding powers). Glad to see you here too! I look forward to various levels of disagreement between us in the coming year.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Formal education:  We tell them the wrong things, and if we&#039;re lucky they ignore us.</description>
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