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	<title>Comments on: Announcing my Next Project: The Edupunk&#8217;s Guide to a DIY Credential</title>
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	<description>Edupunks, Edupreneurs, and the coming transformation of higher education</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Hanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 21:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the party, but I&#039;ll throw in:

The banner of punk has been claimed by a motley bunch - some great, some gross. For some it was a method of maintaining an ideological purity, for others it was a way to make a buck.  The term &#039;edupunk&#039; to me is like its snowclones: &#039;cyberpunk&#039; &#039;steampunk&#039; &#039;whateverpunk&#039; - these evoke rebellion without necessarily entailing it, or maybe they simply evoke the semiotics of rebellion: ripped clothes, wild energy, fear of and violence toward the established order. 

My largest concern with the book from the parts I&#039;ve read is that it seems to mistake learning for education. Learning is wonderful, and I&#039;m glad the author has endorsed it so enthusiastically.  But compare the &quot;DIY learning plan&quot; on page 10 to a syllabus or course plan, and the cracks begin to show. 

Part of the value of an education vs. DIY learning is that education is not all &quot;things I admire&quot; and reading a book every week, as much as it is confronting uncomfortable ideas &amp; concepts, being challenged by the things outside of your current sphere of knowledge, and most importantly the constant rebuttal of &quot;well that may be one way to look at it, but...&quot; from people who have spent their life studying what you want to know and who are responsible for helping you learn it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the party, but I&#8217;ll throw in:</p>
<p>The banner of punk has been claimed by a motley bunch &#8211; some great, some gross. For some it was a method of maintaining an ideological purity, for others it was a way to make a buck.  The term &#8216;edupunk&#8217; to me is like its snowclones: &#8216;cyberpunk&#8217; &#8216;steampunk&#8217; &#8216;whateverpunk&#8217; &#8211; these evoke rebellion without necessarily entailing it, or maybe they simply evoke the semiotics of rebellion: ripped clothes, wild energy, fear of and violence toward the established order. </p>
<p>My largest concern with the book from the parts I&#8217;ve read is that it seems to mistake learning for education. Learning is wonderful, and I&#8217;m glad the author has endorsed it so enthusiastically.  But compare the &#8220;DIY learning plan&#8221; on page 10 to a syllabus or course plan, and the cracks begin to show. </p>
<p>Part of the value of an education vs. DIY learning is that education is not all &#8220;things I admire&#8221; and reading a book every week, as much as it is confronting uncomfortable ideas &amp; concepts, being challenged by the things outside of your current sphere of knowledge, and most importantly the constant rebuttal of &#8220;well that may be one way to look at it, but&#8230;&#8221; from people who have spent their life studying what you want to know and who are responsible for helping you learn it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 22:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, a bit slow to react to this. Wonderful idea, and we look forward to the book. You really need to check us out at SUNY Empire State College: for 40 years we have been &quot;New York&#039;s open university&quot;, using a mentored-learning model to do just what you have envisioned. The college was started, like Excelsior, to serve working adults, but all the good practices we have employed (credit for experiential learning, individualised programs and studies designed by the learner with her/his mentor, multiple modes of study from completely independent to study groups, face to face in 35 locations or online anywhere) turn out now to be increasingly useful for younger learners. We are affordable, pulic, and you get a SUNY degree. 

We are also in the OER university and are steaming ahead will all sorts of open projects that capitalize on the ubiquity of the web. Standby later this year for the launch of Open SUNY which will take all this to warp speed.

Check out our website and let me know if I can be of any help. Love your work.

Alan Davis, President</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, a bit slow to react to this. Wonderful idea, and we look forward to the book. You really need to check us out at SUNY Empire State College: for 40 years we have been &#8220;New York&#8217;s open university&#8221;, using a mentored-learning model to do just what you have envisioned. The college was started, like Excelsior, to serve working adults, but all the good practices we have employed (credit for experiential learning, individualised programs and studies designed by the learner with her/his mentor, multiple modes of study from completely independent to study groups, face to face in 35 locations or online anywhere) turn out now to be increasingly useful for younger learners. We are affordable, pulic, and you get a SUNY degree. </p>
<p>We are also in the OER university and are steaming ahead will all sorts of open projects that capitalize on the ubiquity of the web. Standby later this year for the launch of Open SUNY which will take all this to warp speed.</p>
<p>Check out our website and let me know if I can be of any help. Love your work.</p>
<p>Alan Davis, President</p>
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		<title>By: dkernohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkernohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The secondary goal is to reach educators and administrators interested in incorporating the latest technology, social media, and collaborative learning into their approaches in order to cut costs while improving learning, socialization, and accreditation both inside and outside the classroom.&quot;

This stuff doesn&#039;t cut costs for institutions - unless you mean that if we use social media and collaboration we can have less academic staff, or pay them less. The latest technology costs $$, as do talented, engaging and experimenting staff who &quot;get it&quot; enough to make real use of it. Improving learning (etc) yes, maybe.

I may well write something about your use of &quot;Edupunk&quot; in the title later - I&#039;ve been following the arguments but I&#039;ve not settled my mind yet. Does strike me that it may not have been worth the aggro though, in as much as it constitutes a brand it is inextricably linked to Jim and his work. But, hell, you&#039;re the journalist :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The secondary goal is to reach educators and administrators interested in incorporating the latest technology, social media, and collaborative learning into their approaches in order to cut costs while improving learning, socialization, and accreditation both inside and outside the classroom.&#8221;</p>
<p>This stuff doesn&#8217;t cut costs for institutions &#8211; unless you mean that if we use social media and collaboration we can have less academic staff, or pay them less. The latest technology costs $$, as do talented, engaging and experimenting staff who &#8220;get it&#8221; enough to make real use of it. Improving learning (etc) yes, maybe.</p>
<p>I may well write something about your use of &#8220;Edupunk&#8221; in the title later &#8211; I&#8217;ve been following the arguments but I&#8217;ve not settled my mind yet. Does strike me that it may not have been worth the aggro though, in as much as it constitutes a brand it is inextricably linked to Jim and his work. But, hell, you&#8217;re the journalist <img src='http://diyubook.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colin Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2011/02/announcing-my-next-project-the-edupunks-guide-to-a-diy-credential/comment-page-1/#comment-4460</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 08:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Credentials and accreditation in the same breath as &#039;Edupunk&#039;? You just don&#039;t &#039;get it&#039;, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credentials and accreditation in the same breath as &#8216;Edupunk&#8217;? You just don&#8217;t &#8216;get it&#8217;, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Notess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Notess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see your response to the started-cute-but-turned-weird (like my cat, incidentally) Dear Edupunk letter. And happy to hear about your ebook project. Reading your questions, I&#039;m hoping that some of the people you&#039;ve interviewed are non-really-smart (e.g., normal) people so that your book can show how Edupunk isn&#039;t only for the outliers. I really look forward to hearing the learner stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see your response to the started-cute-but-turned-weird (like my cat, incidentally) Dear Edupunk letter. And happy to hear about your ebook project. Reading your questions, I&#8217;m hoping that some of the people you&#8217;ve interviewed are non-really-smart (e.g., normal) people so that your book can show how Edupunk isn&#8217;t only for the outliers. I really look forward to hearing the learner stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Anya Kamenetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anya Kamenetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good advice, thanks.
One option that we&#039;re considering is releasing a version of the guide in wiki format, so it can live on the web and be updated by readers.
a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good advice, thanks.<br />
One option that we&#8217;re considering is releasing a version of the guide in wiki format, so it can live on the web and be updated by readers.<br />
a</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Grossmeier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Grossmeier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anya, this looks great!

One thing. From the quotes, I don&#039;t think the contract you signed gives you the right to relicense the work as CC:BY-SA. I am not a lawyer, but my day job is answering these questions for faculty at a large university.

This work appears to be a work for hire. Thus, the default status is B&amp;G Foundation holds all of the copyrights to the work. Because they chose to, they are granting you back certain specific rights. Those being the ones you listed. However, a right they did not list was the right to grant a license for the work to others.

I would go back to them and ask explicitly if they give you permission to license the guide as CC:BY-SA because from the quotes you posted, you don&#039;t have that right. A better solution would be to ask them to release their version of the guide as CC:BY-SA. The B&amp;G foundation is hip to CC licenses in general and they may be up for it.

Other than that, I&#039;m looking forward to this guide!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anya, this looks great!</p>
<p>One thing. From the quotes, I don&#8217;t think the contract you signed gives you the right to relicense the work as CC:BY-SA. I am not a lawyer, but my day job is answering these questions for faculty at a large university.</p>
<p>This work appears to be a work for hire. Thus, the default status is B&amp;G Foundation holds all of the copyrights to the work. Because they chose to, they are granting you back certain specific rights. Those being the ones you listed. However, a right they did not list was the right to grant a license for the work to others.</p>
<p>I would go back to them and ask explicitly if they give you permission to license the guide as CC:BY-SA because from the quotes you posted, you don&#8217;t have that right. A better solution would be to ask them to release their version of the guide as CC:BY-SA. The B&amp;G foundation is hip to CC licenses in general and they may be up for it.</p>
<p>Other than that, I&#8217;m looking forward to this guide!</p>
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		<title>By: Anya Kamenetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anya Kamenetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 02:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s what I think (3rd comment down) http://bavatuesdays.com/dear-edupunk/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s what I think (3rd comment down) <a href="http://bavatuesdays.com/dear-edupunk/" rel="nofollow">http://bavatuesdays.com/dear-edupunk/</a></p>
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		<title>By: w grotophorst</title>
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		<dc:creator>w grotophorst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you ever wonder if you&#039;ve taken the term EduPunk and turned it into something kinda gross?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you ever wonder if you&#8217;ve taken the term EduPunk and turned it into something kinda gross?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OER University (http://wikieducator.org/OER_university) is a group that I wasn&#039;t aware of until recently.   You might want to check them out if you haven&#039;t already, they seem to be moving towards some very interesting credentialing models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OER University (<a href="http://wikieducator.org/OER_university" rel="nofollow">http://wikieducator.org/OER_university</a>) is a group that I wasn&#8217;t aware of until recently.   You might want to check them out if you haven&#8217;t already, they seem to be moving towards some very interesting credentialing models.</p>
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