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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/12/where-my-forward-looking-intellectuals-at/comment-page-1/#comment-3288</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret:  You&#039;re right that the life experiences of academics is not fully representative of the population at large.  But I&#039;m not sure academia can be justly described as a conservative framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret:  You&#8217;re right that the life experiences of academics is not fully representative of the population at large.  But I&#8217;m not sure academia can be justly described as a conservative framework.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Weigel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret Weigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post cracks me up.  To sum up: &quot;Why aren&#039;t the people who have succeeded within a conservative framework doing more to disrupt the framework?&quot;  Those who claim the title &#039;intellectual&#039; are usually beneficiaries of a system that rewards those who follow the rules of the classroom, hail from a more privileged socioeconomic status, live in major metropolitan areas, etc.  And, even in educational circles which is a haven for smart women, the designated leaders are often white and male.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post cracks me up.  To sum up: &#8220;Why aren&#8217;t the people who have succeeded within a conservative framework doing more to disrupt the framework?&#8221;  Those who claim the title &#8216;intellectual&#8217; are usually beneficiaries of a system that rewards those who follow the rules of the classroom, hail from a more privileged socioeconomic status, live in major metropolitan areas, etc.  And, even in educational circles which is a haven for smart women, the designated leaders are often white and male.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/12/where-my-forward-looking-intellectuals-at/comment-page-1/#comment-3268</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reforming corporations will be a hard fight, made even harder by the fact that the target of reform controls so many of the avenues of communication.  But if you&#039;re looking for an area where reform could make a huge difference, you&#039;ve found it.

I figure the key is worker ownership of the corporation.  Right now we have a nonsensical system where the person who works the assembly line for twenty years gets no ownership stake and no say in business decisions, but the guy who happened to buy some stock from somebody who bought some stock from somebody who initially fronted a bit of seed money does.  Naturally, that owner&#039;s interest lies in paying the assembly line worker as little as he&#039;s willing to take.  

Worse, money paid to the stock owner is deemed the natural result of the primary function of the corporation, whereas money paid to the workers (who actually have more skin in the game) is seen as a regrettable expense.

When workers own a corporation, that conflict of interest disappears.  Money paid to workers effectively moves to the other side of the balance sheet.

The question is, how do we clearly communicate the need for corporate reform?  I&#039;m pessimistic about the prospect (pessimistic about a lot of things, really).  We&#039;ve just seen possibly the greatest corporate heist in the history of the planet.  And where did all the outrage go?  It was channeled into scorn for the health care reform that will cover tens of millions of people.  It was channeled into fear of &quot;redistributionist&quot; policies that benefit hundreds of millions of honest, hard-working Americans.  It was channeled into a spirited, grassroots defense of tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans.  And it was channeled into defeating Democratic politicians whose policies are better for the poor, the middle class, and the economy in general.

That&#039;s the power of controlling the message.  That&#039;s the power the proponents of corporate reform are up against.

Book Recommendation:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Divine-Right-of-Capital/Marjorie-Kelly/e/9781576752371/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Divine Right of Capital&lt;/a&gt;.

There are opportunities for creating alternatives to corporations for some forms of production.  The world is full of good ideas, from 3D printing to open source software and content development to crowdsourcing.  In the broadest sense, a corporation is just one possible mechanism for organizing capital (things) and labor (people) in such a way that desirable things are created.

I don&#039;t believe the status quo has failed.  Certain parts -- including much of the social safety net that the Right would do away with -- have succeeded admirably in their goal of reducing misery.  Those parts include &quot;redistributionist&quot; programs like Medicare and Social Security.  I see small opportunities for those programs to be improved by technology, but I don&#039;t see a major Web-2.0 reboot for them, the way I do for universities and corporations.  The reason is, they&#039;re too simple.  All they do is hand out money to people who need to be able to afford certain goods and services.  There isn&#039;t much overhead to be cut.

Anyhow, such programs need to be protected even as we figure out how to more broadly and effectively deliver things like health care and education.

Sorry to ramble.  I do that from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reforming corporations will be a hard fight, made even harder by the fact that the target of reform controls so many of the avenues of communication.  But if you&#8217;re looking for an area where reform could make a huge difference, you&#8217;ve found it.</p>
<p>I figure the key is worker ownership of the corporation.  Right now we have a nonsensical system where the person who works the assembly line for twenty years gets no ownership stake and no say in business decisions, but the guy who happened to buy some stock from somebody who bought some stock from somebody who initially fronted a bit of seed money does.  Naturally, that owner&#8217;s interest lies in paying the assembly line worker as little as he&#8217;s willing to take.  </p>
<p>Worse, money paid to the stock owner is deemed the natural result of the primary function of the corporation, whereas money paid to the workers (who actually have more skin in the game) is seen as a regrettable expense.</p>
<p>When workers own a corporation, that conflict of interest disappears.  Money paid to workers effectively moves to the other side of the balance sheet.</p>
<p>The question is, how do we clearly communicate the need for corporate reform?  I&#8217;m pessimistic about the prospect (pessimistic about a lot of things, really).  We&#8217;ve just seen possibly the greatest corporate heist in the history of the planet.  And where did all the outrage go?  It was channeled into scorn for the health care reform that will cover tens of millions of people.  It was channeled into fear of &#8220;redistributionist&#8221; policies that benefit hundreds of millions of honest, hard-working Americans.  It was channeled into a spirited, grassroots defense of tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans.  And it was channeled into defeating Democratic politicians whose policies are better for the poor, the middle class, and the economy in general.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the power of controlling the message.  That&#8217;s the power the proponents of corporate reform are up against.</p>
<p>Book Recommendation:  <a href="http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Divine-Right-of-Capital/Marjorie-Kelly/e/9781576752371/" rel="nofollow">The Divine Right of Capital</a>.</p>
<p>There are opportunities for creating alternatives to corporations for some forms of production.  The world is full of good ideas, from 3D printing to open source software and content development to crowdsourcing.  In the broadest sense, a corporation is just one possible mechanism for organizing capital (things) and labor (people) in such a way that desirable things are created.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe the status quo has failed.  Certain parts &#8212; including much of the social safety net that the Right would do away with &#8212; have succeeded admirably in their goal of reducing misery.  Those parts include &#8220;redistributionist&#8221; programs like Medicare and Social Security.  I see small opportunities for those programs to be improved by technology, but I don&#8217;t see a major Web-2.0 reboot for them, the way I do for universities and corporations.  The reason is, they&#8217;re too simple.  All they do is hand out money to people who need to be able to afford certain goods and services.  There isn&#8217;t much overhead to be cut.</p>
<p>Anyhow, such programs need to be protected even as we figure out how to more broadly and effectively deliver things like health care and education.</p>
<p>Sorry to ramble.  I do that from time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to point out that what you outline above has triumphed!  The bureaucratic system worked!  Since the 19th century these kinds of bureaucracies have evolved and triumphed. However, they have succeeded beyond their ability to adapt to the next iteration of culture.  And the people who are defending them are not doing so out of some dumb reticence to change, but because they still live in those bureaucratic institutions.  Governments, like universities have not adapted to the new intersected culture.  They treat the internet, and mobile in the same way that they see television and radio, one way communication.  That is because that is what they know, it is what they are comfortable with.  These leaders also know that the triumph of the polyvalent culture we now inhabit, by its nature, undermines the aggregation of power in their voices.  They don’t understand that they could use the power of the past to move forward in the future.  To use this aggregation as a dissemination point, a platform.   But that would by nature include aggregating opposing views, assimilating them, considering them, and allowing dissent, and taking the risk (everytime) that power might flow outwardly, away from their platform.  That however is the nature of a polyvalent culture in a market economy.  I think Foucault had it right, power is traded like cash; the trick is to know you are participating.

My biased view is that corporations can help institutions streamline.  My first day of graduate school, the professor told us, &quot;The first order of business for any institution is to maintain it&#039;s own existence.&quot;  I have never forgotten that.  Every single institution or person has its own welfare and maintenance at the core of its mission.  

The idea that a market economy could create an effective replacement for the university is also limited.  Market economies are fickle.  While the peer/tenure system in its current embodiment actually creates less learning and openness, the reasons for the creation of the tenure system are still very important in today&#039;s society, and have helped shaped the idea of Western democracy.  Writing papers and defending ideas, creating art and research free from political-religious indoctrination or undue influence, sharing wealth of information- these concepts have permeated culture.  However, we need to find or create a dynamic that sustains the models of learning and discovery, without confining them to geography.  And we need a system that supports the intent of tenure, without ossifying the system itself.

University models are breaking down in favor of corporations and distribution channels.  But there still has to be a supply.  There is a general lack of trust for supply without the institutional rigor of traditional universities and the peer system (for-profit colleges).  Traditional universities must remain the pillars of discovery, and the source of teaching.  But the classroom doesn&#039;t have to be the only channel.

Evolution is not substitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to point out that what you outline above has triumphed!  The bureaucratic system worked!  Since the 19th century these kinds of bureaucracies have evolved and triumphed. However, they have succeeded beyond their ability to adapt to the next iteration of culture.  And the people who are defending them are not doing so out of some dumb reticence to change, but because they still live in those bureaucratic institutions.  Governments, like universities have not adapted to the new intersected culture.  They treat the internet, and mobile in the same way that they see television and radio, one way communication.  That is because that is what they know, it is what they are comfortable with.  These leaders also know that the triumph of the polyvalent culture we now inhabit, by its nature, undermines the aggregation of power in their voices.  They don’t understand that they could use the power of the past to move forward in the future.  To use this aggregation as a dissemination point, a platform.   But that would by nature include aggregating opposing views, assimilating them, considering them, and allowing dissent, and taking the risk (everytime) that power might flow outwardly, away from their platform.  That however is the nature of a polyvalent culture in a market economy.  I think Foucault had it right, power is traded like cash; the trick is to know you are participating.</p>
<p>My biased view is that corporations can help institutions streamline.  My first day of graduate school, the professor told us, &#8220;The first order of business for any institution is to maintain it&#8217;s own existence.&#8221;  I have never forgotten that.  Every single institution or person has its own welfare and maintenance at the core of its mission.  </p>
<p>The idea that a market economy could create an effective replacement for the university is also limited.  Market economies are fickle.  While the peer/tenure system in its current embodiment actually creates less learning and openness, the reasons for the creation of the tenure system are still very important in today&#8217;s society, and have helped shaped the idea of Western democracy.  Writing papers and defending ideas, creating art and research free from political-religious indoctrination or undue influence, sharing wealth of information- these concepts have permeated culture.  However, we need to find or create a dynamic that sustains the models of learning and discovery, without confining them to geography.  And we need a system that supports the intent of tenure, without ossifying the system itself.</p>
<p>University models are breaking down in favor of corporations and distribution channels.  But there still has to be a supply.  There is a general lack of trust for supply without the institutional rigor of traditional universities and the peer system (for-profit colleges).  Traditional universities must remain the pillars of discovery, and the source of teaching.  But the classroom doesn&#8217;t have to be the only channel.</p>
<p>Evolution is not substitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Anya Kamenetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anya Kamenetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bryce! I think you&#039;re very astute to say this. But I don&#039;t want to be part of a Left whose agenda item #1 is &quot;defend a failed status quo.&quot; That sounds more reactionary than progressive.


Maybe the solution is to take up a more aggressive reform agenda of our own. Move the conversation and assail the institution that the right holds most dear: the corporation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bryce! I think you&#8217;re very astute to say this. But I don&#8217;t want to be part of a Left whose agenda item #1 is &#8220;defend a failed status quo.&#8221; That sounds more reactionary than progressive.</p>
<p>Maybe the solution is to take up a more aggressive reform agenda of our own. Move the conversation and assail the institution that the right holds most dear: the corporation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/12/where-my-forward-looking-intellectuals-at/comment-page-1/#comment-3259</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 06:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem, from the liberal side, is that it&#039;s hard to have a discussion about new approaches when it seems that the old approaches are under assault by the right wing.  They have fundamentally different views on how society should operate.

Take basic education reform.  You put a bunch of liberals together to come up with a plan, and the ideas flow freely.  But mix in a few conservatives, people who don&#039;t see education as an inalienable right but as a privilege that a child&#039;s parents should pay for (or not, as they see fit), and suddenly the ideas go dry.  Suddenly, public education as presently practiced must be protected, because any opportunity for reform becomes an opportunity to dismantle the guarantees written into the current social contract.

The point isn&#039;t that Lefties are good or Righties are bad.  The point is that, when you don&#039;t trust that everyone at the table is dealing in good faith or working toward the same goals, then reform becomes an opportunity for your enemies to subvert your goals by backhanded means.  Suddenly, the status quo starts looking pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem, from the liberal side, is that it&#8217;s hard to have a discussion about new approaches when it seems that the old approaches are under assault by the right wing.  They have fundamentally different views on how society should operate.</p>
<p>Take basic education reform.  You put a bunch of liberals together to come up with a plan, and the ideas flow freely.  But mix in a few conservatives, people who don&#8217;t see education as an inalienable right but as a privilege that a child&#8217;s parents should pay for (or not, as they see fit), and suddenly the ideas go dry.  Suddenly, public education as presently practiced must be protected, because any opportunity for reform becomes an opportunity to dismantle the guarantees written into the current social contract.</p>
<p>The point isn&#8217;t that Lefties are good or Righties are bad.  The point is that, when you don&#8217;t trust that everyone at the table is dealing in good faith or working toward the same goals, then reform becomes an opportunity for your enemies to subvert your goals by backhanded means.  Suddenly, the status quo starts looking pretty good.</p>
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