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		<title>By: Anne Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anya, I&#039;m very happy you&#039;re doing this. It&#039;ll be a terrific service. I attended Open Ed and Drumbeat in Barcelona and Drumbeat was the superior experience (although it seemed to fall apart on the last day -- sessions I attended seemed to be conversations about how little sleep people had). No matter, it&#039;ll be great to be able to attend ALL of Drumbeat next time (I advocate Silicon Valley). I&#039;ve been running a green building architecture school for many years in the Bay Area and in recent years turning my attention to online education. This has allowed me to create some alternatives that save everyone a lot of time and money. Still trying to sort out the problems of certification of student work. Not to mention accredited portable portfolio programs for students who will also now be learning everything everywhere. No one at Open Ed or Drumbeat seemed to have solutions, but they&#039;re certainly working on them. I&#039;m also preparing a &quot;Universal Green&quot; education program to offer high level skills and theory education on every aspect of green building world wide -- education that can be certified so students receive documented recognition for what they learn -- and all at no cost. Again a problem (opportunity) that needs solving. I might suggest that you identify key problems, issues, opportunities that are emerging from all this and use the list as key tabs for your book. (I&#039;ve only read the text on this blog page and maybe you&#039;ve already started doing such.) I also just attended &quot;Big Ideas&quot; (in education) at Half Moon Bay last week and it was dynamite. Many of these same issues raised and widely discussed. And I&#039;ll be doing a talent search at the upcoming TEDxCalTech conference to seek out conversations and commentary on education from that visionary crowd. I&#039;ll want to comment more and will keep in touch. Meanwhile, superb project. You&#039;re a doer. I loved DYI and I know you&#039;ll create something significant here. Fred A. Stitt, Architect Director, San Francisco Institute of Architecture, www.sfia.net. Director, Free Minds Institute (new, no web presence yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anya, I&#8217;m very happy you&#8217;re doing this. It&#8217;ll be a terrific service. I attended Open Ed and Drumbeat in Barcelona and Drumbeat was the superior experience (although it seemed to fall apart on the last day &#8212; sessions I attended seemed to be conversations about how little sleep people had). No matter, it&#8217;ll be great to be able to attend ALL of Drumbeat next time (I advocate Silicon Valley). I&#8217;ve been running a green building architecture school for many years in the Bay Area and in recent years turning my attention to online education. This has allowed me to create some alternatives that save everyone a lot of time and money. Still trying to sort out the problems of certification of student work. Not to mention accredited portable portfolio programs for students who will also now be learning everything everywhere. No one at Open Ed or Drumbeat seemed to have solutions, but they&#8217;re certainly working on them. I&#8217;m also preparing a &#8220;Universal Green&#8221; education program to offer high level skills and theory education on every aspect of green building world wide &#8212; education that can be certified so students receive documented recognition for what they learn &#8212; and all at no cost. Again a problem (opportunity) that needs solving. I might suggest that you identify key problems, issues, opportunities that are emerging from all this and use the list as key tabs for your book. (I&#8217;ve only read the text on this blog page and maybe you&#8217;ve already started doing such.) I also just attended &#8220;Big Ideas&#8221; (in education) at Half Moon Bay last week and it was dynamite. Many of these same issues raised and widely discussed. And I&#8217;ll be doing a talent search at the upcoming TEDxCalTech conference to seek out conversations and commentary on education from that visionary crowd. I&#8217;ll want to comment more and will keep in touch. Meanwhile, superb project. You&#8217;re a doer. I loved DYI and I know you&#8217;ll create something significant here. Fred A. Stitt, Architect Director, San Francisco Institute of Architecture, <a href="http://www.sfia.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfia.net</a>. Director, Free Minds Institute (new, no web presence yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another minor point, regarding that quote from that one lady who said that one thing:  eugenics was big in intellectual circles in the 19th century.  That doesn&#039;t invalidate the other ideas that came out of that age.  I&#039;ve seen the same eugenics-by-association thing used against Planned Parenthood.

In other words, it&#039;s a bit off-putting as a rhetorical device.  Does she have another quote you could use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another minor point, regarding that quote from that one lady who said that one thing:  eugenics was big in intellectual circles in the 19th century.  That doesn&#8217;t invalidate the other ideas that came out of that age.  I&#8217;ve seen the same eugenics-by-association thing used against Planned Parenthood.</p>
<p>In other words, it&#8217;s a bit off-putting as a rhetorical device.  Does she have another quote you could use?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Stitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Stitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anya,

I&#039;m very happy you&#039;re doing this.  It&#039;ll be a terrific service.

I attended Open Ed and Drumbeat in Barcelona and Drumbeat
was the superior experience (although it seemed to fall apart
on the last day -- sessions I attended seemed to be conversations
about how little sleep people had).  No matter, it&#039;ll be great to
be able to attend ALL of Drumbeat next time (I advocate Silicon
Valley).

I&#039;ve been running a green building architecture school for many
years in the Bay Area and in recent years turning my attention to online 
education.  This has allowed me to create some alternatives that save everyone 
a lot of time and money.  Still trying to sort out the problems of certification
of student work.  Not to mention accredited portable portfolio programs for 
students who will also now be learning everything everywhere.  No one at Open
Ed or Drumbeat seemed to have solutions, but they&#039;re certainly working on them.

I&#039;m also preparing a &quot;Universal Green&quot; education program to offer high
level skills and theory education on every aspect of green building world
wide -- education that can be certified so students receive documented recognition
for what they learn -- and all at no cost.  Again a problem (opportunity)
that needs solving.

I might suggest that you identify key problems, issues, opportunities that
are emerging from all this and use the list as key tabs for your book.
(I&#039;ve only read the text on this blog page and maybe you&#039;ve already started
doing such.)

I also just attended &quot;Big Ideas&quot; (in education) at Half Moon Bay last week and it 
was dynamite.  Many of these same issues raised and widely discussed.
And I&#039;ll be doing a talent search at the upcoming TEDxCalTech conference 
to seek out conversations and commentary on education from that visionary crowd.

I&#039;ll want to comment more and will keep in touch.  Meanwhile, superb project.
You&#039;re a doer.  I loved DYI and I know you&#039;ll create something significant here.

Fred A. Stitt, Architect
Director, San Francisco Institute of Architecture, www.sfia.net.
Director, Free Minds Institute (new, no web presence yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anya,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very happy you&#8217;re doing this.  It&#8217;ll be a terrific service.</p>
<p>I attended Open Ed and Drumbeat in Barcelona and Drumbeat<br />
was the superior experience (although it seemed to fall apart<br />
on the last day &#8212; sessions I attended seemed to be conversations<br />
about how little sleep people had).  No matter, it&#8217;ll be great to<br />
be able to attend ALL of Drumbeat next time (I advocate Silicon<br />
Valley).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been running a green building architecture school for many<br />
years in the Bay Area and in recent years turning my attention to online<br />
education.  This has allowed me to create some alternatives that save everyone<br />
a lot of time and money.  Still trying to sort out the problems of certification<br />
of student work.  Not to mention accredited portable portfolio programs for<br />
students who will also now be learning everything everywhere.  No one at Open<br />
Ed or Drumbeat seemed to have solutions, but they&#8217;re certainly working on them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also preparing a &#8220;Universal Green&#8221; education program to offer high<br />
level skills and theory education on every aspect of green building world<br />
wide &#8212; education that can be certified so students receive documented recognition<br />
for what they learn &#8212; and all at no cost.  Again a problem (opportunity)<br />
that needs solving.</p>
<p>I might suggest that you identify key problems, issues, opportunities that<br />
are emerging from all this and use the list as key tabs for your book.<br />
(I&#8217;ve only read the text on this blog page and maybe you&#8217;ve already started<br />
doing such.)</p>
<p>I also just attended &#8220;Big Ideas&#8221; (in education) at Half Moon Bay last week and it<br />
was dynamite.  Many of these same issues raised and widely discussed.<br />
And I&#8217;ll be doing a talent search at the upcoming TEDxCalTech conference<br />
to seek out conversations and commentary on education from that visionary crowd.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll want to comment more and will keep in touch.  Meanwhile, superb project.<br />
You&#8217;re a doer.  I loved DYI and I know you&#8217;ll create something significant here.</p>
<p>Fred A. Stitt, Architect<br />
Director, San Francisco Institute of Architecture, <a href="http://www.sfia.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfia.net</a>.<br />
Director, Free Minds Institute (new, no web presence yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you write this yourself?  It doesn&#039;t sound like you, in style or in substance....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you write this yourself?  It doesn&#8217;t sound like you, in style or in substance&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blindfolded rubiks cube videos are hoaxes.  The video is actually running backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blindfolded rubiks cube videos are hoaxes.  The video is actually running backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: LauraFHilliger</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraFHilliger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 10:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anya,
I think what David is trying to say in the &quot;force of good&quot; mention is that although our universities, colleges and traditionally run schools are outdated and in desperate need of change, they are still institutions of learning, innovation and stimulation and should be respected as such. Your mention of universities sounds very, very negative and there is no bounce-back. Yes, they are in need of a facelift, but they definitely shouldn&#039;t be abandoned, and this viewpoint isn&#039;t obvious in the text. We, the educators and web nerds who make up Drumbeat, aren&#039;t looking to destroy the infrastructure we have in place, we&#039;re looking to change how that infrastructure is used. 

I second the motion that it should be more clear that universities have something to offer other than just industrial age learning procedures and boring ass lectures. Just think about the fact that universities offer infrastructure for learning and go from there - I&#039;m thinking about the innovation that comes from the FREE and OPEN learning within these institutions, like Marie Curie having access to a lab or, to use an example which both pisses me off and also changed the world, Mark Zuckerberg being inspired by his social surroundings to come up with Facebook.

You are right, many formal learning institutions have their heads stuck in the sand. But you are making it sound as if they are not listening to us and what we are trying to tell them even a little. Like they have no interest in changing, but I think they WANT to change, they just lack the knowledge on HOW to get started and WHAT, concretely, needs to be done. That&#039;s where we come in, to show them the light.

I&#039;m not trying to be negative about your work so far, I just don&#039;t want the book to slam the traditional infrastructure because we are going to need that space for our learning revolution.

Your writing style is supreme, great flow and nice metaphoric approach. You&#039;re doing great, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anya,<br />
I think what David is trying to say in the &#8220;force of good&#8221; mention is that although our universities, colleges and traditionally run schools are outdated and in desperate need of change, they are still institutions of learning, innovation and stimulation and should be respected as such. Your mention of universities sounds very, very negative and there is no bounce-back. Yes, they are in need of a facelift, but they definitely shouldn&#8217;t be abandoned, and this viewpoint isn&#8217;t obvious in the text. We, the educators and web nerds who make up Drumbeat, aren&#8217;t looking to destroy the infrastructure we have in place, we&#8217;re looking to change how that infrastructure is used. </p>
<p>I second the motion that it should be more clear that universities have something to offer other than just industrial age learning procedures and boring ass lectures. Just think about the fact that universities offer infrastructure for learning and go from there &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking about the innovation that comes from the FREE and OPEN learning within these institutions, like Marie Curie having access to a lab or, to use an example which both pisses me off and also changed the world, Mark Zuckerberg being inspired by his social surroundings to come up with Facebook.</p>
<p>You are right, many formal learning institutions have their heads stuck in the sand. But you are making it sound as if they are not listening to us and what we are trying to tell them even a little. Like they have no interest in changing, but I think they WANT to change, they just lack the knowledge on HOW to get started and WHAT, concretely, needs to be done. That&#8217;s where we come in, to show them the light.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be negative about your work so far, I just don&#8217;t want the book to slam the traditional infrastructure because we are going to need that space for our learning revolution.</p>
<p>Your writing style is supreme, great flow and nice metaphoric approach. You&#8217;re doing great, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: floa</title>
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		<dc:creator>floa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 05:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>add 1 sentence on what drumbeat is -- as I&#039;ve never heard of it till reading this. Help move mr along in your into by writing that, and another sentence on what you think &quot;it is trying to become.&quot;
yes, let&#039;s kill the lecture into extinction. lecture suggests monotone, mundane, and wise leader filling empty vessels of students. then there&#039;s presentation. and presentaton styles are moving into more and more engaging formats.

1 question: if formal education has been vital in every civilization, what will informal education mean for future civilizations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>add 1 sentence on what drumbeat is &#8212; as I&#8217;ve never heard of it till reading this. Help move mr along in your into by writing that, and another sentence on what you think &#8220;it is trying to become.&#8221;<br />
yes, let&#8217;s kill the lecture into extinction. lecture suggests monotone, mundane, and wise leader filling empty vessels of students. then there&#8217;s presentation. and presentaton styles are moving into more and more engaging formats.</p>
<p>1 question: if formal education has been vital in every civilization, what will informal education mean for future civilizations?</p>
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		<title>By: Anya Kamenetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anya Kamenetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,
Did you attend both? Did you blog about them? If not, can I quote this comment? I know there was at least one critical and widely circulated blog post about Drumbeat Festival&#039;s less-than-ideal integration with the setting and local culture. I definitely want the book to include dissenting opinions although the main point isn&#039;t what Drumbeat did, it&#039;s what Drumbeat is trying to start. 

FWIW, everyone I talked to who attended both OpenEd and Drumbeat seemed to find Drumbeat a lot more...well, exciting, frankly. Part of that just comes with OER being a more mature movement, and yes, being more integrated with institutions as they currently exist. Not being employed by one, I tend to be naturally more interested in what&#039;s coming next.

I find &quot;we&#039;re all about access and support&quot; to be kind of hilarious as a blanket statement about universities. That&#039;s certainly not how you&#039;re perceived. 

Maybe Universities are to learning as Lectures are to pedagogical modes: ONE tool in the toolbelt, but one that&#039;s been far too dominant for far too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,<br />
Did you attend both? Did you blog about them? If not, can I quote this comment? I know there was at least one critical and widely circulated blog post about Drumbeat Festival&#8217;s less-than-ideal integration with the setting and local culture. I definitely want the book to include dissenting opinions although the main point isn&#8217;t what Drumbeat did, it&#8217;s what Drumbeat is trying to start. </p>
<p>FWIW, everyone I talked to who attended both OpenEd and Drumbeat seemed to find Drumbeat a lot more&#8230;well, exciting, frankly. Part of that just comes with OER being a more mature movement, and yes, being more integrated with institutions as they currently exist. Not being employed by one, I tend to be naturally more interested in what&#8217;s coming next.</p>
<p>I find &#8220;we&#8217;re all about access and support&#8221; to be kind of hilarious as a blanket statement about universities. That&#8217;s certainly not how you&#8217;re perceived. </p>
<p>Maybe Universities are to learning as Lectures are to pedagogical modes: ONE tool in the toolbelt, but one that&#8217;s been far too dominant for far too long.</p>
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		<title>By: dkernohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dkernohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re falling into an obvious trap of slagging off the lecture. Some lectures are rubbish... some are brilliant, participative, engaging. It&#039;s not for nothing that some of the most popular OERs are video and audio recordings of, yup lectures. Rather than just abandoning the whole idea, we should be using them as one tool amongst many. And using them well. 

It would be useful to be more honest about drumbeat too. There was some good stuff went on, but it had a horrible tendency to ignore everything that is great about institutions as they currently exist.  OpenEd was also in Barcelona at the same time... actual academic s talking about actual university practice and trying to make stuff work better. You know Universities? Those big things that release all that OER, and employ all the academics that make it? Probably worth a mention as a force for good.

Another thing with drumbeat was that it was a little bit of western California dropped into the middle of one of the roughest areas of Barcelona. Maybe a little bit of cultural awareness missing  there, guys? And a big issue with online learning as well. If you don&#039;t share the westernized, youth, internet culture then it&#039;s not for you! Universities have often been quite bad at this too, but we&#039;ve worked at it. These days we&#039;re all about access and support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re falling into an obvious trap of slagging off the lecture. Some lectures are rubbish&#8230; some are brilliant, participative, engaging. It&#8217;s not for nothing that some of the most popular OERs are video and audio recordings of, yup lectures. Rather than just abandoning the whole idea, we should be using them as one tool amongst many. And using them well. </p>
<p>It would be useful to be more honest about drumbeat too. There was some good stuff went on, but it had a horrible tendency to ignore everything that is great about institutions as they currently exist.  OpenEd was also in Barcelona at the same time&#8230; actual academic s talking about actual university practice and trying to make stuff work better. You know Universities? Those big things that release all that OER, and employ all the academics that make it? Probably worth a mention as a force for good.</p>
<p>Another thing with drumbeat was that it was a little bit of western California dropped into the middle of one of the roughest areas of Barcelona. Maybe a little bit of cultural awareness missing  there, guys? And a big issue with online learning as well. If you don&#8217;t share the westernized, youth, internet culture then it&#8217;s not for you! Universities have often been quite bad at this too, but we&#8217;ve worked at it. These days we&#8217;re all about access and support.</p>
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		<title>By: Anya Kamenetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anya Kamenetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Bryan!
Good question! I have to think about that.
I mean it&#039;s this general feeling of &quot;open webbiness&quot; or &quot;things you can do with the open web&quot; that encompasses both informal learning and open educational resources. Yet the two are certainly distinct, if complementary movements, but i would like to say that they are both part of the second vector. You can sum vectors, can&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bryan!<br />
Good question! I have to think about that.<br />
I mean it&#8217;s this general feeling of &#8220;open webbiness&#8221; or &#8220;things you can do with the open web&#8221; that encompasses both informal learning and open educational resources. Yet the two are certainly distinct, if complementary movements, but i would like to say that they are both part of the second vector. You can sum vectors, can&#8217;t you?</p>
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