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	<title>Comments on: College Students&#8217; Voices</title>
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	<description>Edupunks, Edupreneurs, and the coming transformation of higher education</description>
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		<title>By: Shennen Dean</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/06/college-students-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Shennen Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the book may be too superficial&quot; Another great reason to make it a free E-book. I&#039;m still waiting for my free copy.

Also, is it reasonable to believe that everyone who enrolls in college and does not graduate fails because the institution has somehow not &quot;served&quot; the student? Perhaps you have Utopian ideals that everyone who goes to school will be successful or the system has failed to do its job. That&#039;s almost like saying every mentally handicapped student will become an Einstein or the system has failed them.

&quot;...all of us out there in the wider world who have a stake in what happens inside the academy&quot; I don&#039;t know if I believe that anymore than I believe we all have a stake in what the military does. Some things are not in the public&#039;s control because that would be foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the book may be too superficial&#8221; Another great reason to make it a free E-book. I&#8217;m still waiting for my free copy.</p>
<p>Also, is it reasonable to believe that everyone who enrolls in college and does not graduate fails because the institution has somehow not &#8220;served&#8221; the student? Perhaps you have Utopian ideals that everyone who goes to school will be successful or the system has failed to do its job. That&#8217;s almost like saying every mentally handicapped student will become an Einstein or the system has failed them.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;all of us out there in the wider world who have a stake in what happens inside the academy&#8221; I don&#8217;t know if I believe that anymore than I believe we all have a stake in what the military does. Some things are not in the public&#8217;s control because that would be foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: david lincoln</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/06/college-students-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>david lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, great work   an ancillary thought, the dysfunction of our academic institutions permeates innovation and entrepreneurism as well and this is deadly. I believe this could be great stuff for another book.

Let me explain:

 I come from an Ivy League school and sent my children to them , but I would not send my children to one now or would give another dime for research done for my seed companies… The cost is an issue of course but consider the cost of &quot;junk&quot; and &quot;dead&quot; research not making it to commercialization is also huge.  I believe most research is applied and little is pure research. Colleges love to churn government grants and do luke warm research and then try to transfer it as a seedling for new companies. There is no passion here but the craving for $$$$

In your vein, the connectivity, and maverick &quot;hack&quot; technology is pervasive today and  should be allowed to take root. The DIY University can easily be a garage and a tiny fraction of the price to the taxpayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, great work   an ancillary thought, the dysfunction of our academic institutions permeates innovation and entrepreneurism as well and this is deadly. I believe this could be great stuff for another book.</p>
<p>Let me explain:</p>
<p> I come from an Ivy League school and sent my children to them , but I would not send my children to one now or would give another dime for research done for my seed companies… The cost is an issue of course but consider the cost of &#8220;junk&#8221; and &#8220;dead&#8221; research not making it to commercialization is also huge.  I believe most research is applied and little is pure research. Colleges love to churn government grants and do luke warm research and then try to transfer it as a seedling for new companies. There is no passion here but the craving for $$$$</p>
<p>In your vein, the connectivity, and maverick &#8220;hack&#8221; technology is pervasive today and  should be allowed to take root. The DIY University can easily be a garage and a tiny fraction of the price to the taxpayer.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/06/college-students-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jon,
Well on structure, I simply disagree that I spent too much of the book dissecting the problems in higher ed, and according to many reviewers and folks on Amazon, my dissection of the problem was the strongest part of the book! Most people outside higher ed don&#039;t understand the details of the crisis very well. I think even you who are employed in higher ed and familiar with many aspects of the crisis, miss key things about the true nature of what&#039;s wrong, because you bring up a couple times the fact that enrollment is strong and growing. The fact that students are lining up doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that the system works well or that students, barely half of whom complete a four-year program, are well served by what exists. And increasing enrollment can only hurt the cost picture because each student in a public system costs the institution money.

I tried to separate discussions of change within and outside existing institutions by taking them up in separate chapters, which many reviewers seemed to feel was a fine way of doing things. However, most of the &quot;edupunks&quot; are employed by or enrolled in existing institutions, and 99% of the edupunks and edupreneurs are at least graduates of existing institutions. That&#039;s not so surprising, really, when you think about the ramifications of renewal and reinvention of an existing system that is so pervasive throughout our society. 

On what DIY U *is*: I didn&#039;t define it for a reason. It has to be different for each person. That&#039;s the whole point of doing things yourself. And besides it&#039;s way too early to pick a winner from existing innovations. That was absolutely my intention because I would sound like a nitwit making Nostradamus-like predictions about this stuff. 

But in the end, I basically think you&#039;re right that the book may be too superficial, or just may not be of much use to the readers of Couros&#039;s journal and others who are deeply, deeply embedded in ed tech. I mean I interviewed and quote from the work of many of the authors in the very issue of the journal in which this review appears. My intent was to introduce your work to a much wider audience so that parents, students, prospective students, educators, policymakers, investors and businesspeople and employers, all of us out there in the wider world who have a stake in what happens inside the academy, would have some idea of what&#039;s cooking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon,<br />
Well on structure, I simply disagree that I spent too much of the book dissecting the problems in higher ed, and according to many reviewers and folks on Amazon, my dissection of the problem was the strongest part of the book! Most people outside higher ed don&#8217;t understand the details of the crisis very well. I think even you who are employed in higher ed and familiar with many aspects of the crisis, miss key things about the true nature of what&#8217;s wrong, because you bring up a couple times the fact that enrollment is strong and growing. The fact that students are lining up doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that the system works well or that students, barely half of whom complete a four-year program, are well served by what exists. And increasing enrollment can only hurt the cost picture because each student in a public system costs the institution money.</p>
<p>I tried to separate discussions of change within and outside existing institutions by taking them up in separate chapters, which many reviewers seemed to feel was a fine way of doing things. However, most of the &#8220;edupunks&#8221; are employed by or enrolled in existing institutions, and 99% of the edupunks and edupreneurs are at least graduates of existing institutions. That&#8217;s not so surprising, really, when you think about the ramifications of renewal and reinvention of an existing system that is so pervasive throughout our society. </p>
<p>On what DIY U *is*: I didn&#8217;t define it for a reason. It has to be different for each person. That&#8217;s the whole point of doing things yourself. And besides it&#8217;s way too early to pick a winner from existing innovations. That was absolutely my intention because I would sound like a nitwit making Nostradamus-like predictions about this stuff. </p>
<p>But in the end, I basically think you&#8217;re right that the book may be too superficial, or just may not be of much use to the readers of Couros&#8217;s journal and others who are deeply, deeply embedded in ed tech. I mean I interviewed and quote from the work of many of the authors in the very issue of the journal in which this review appears. My intent was to introduce your work to a much wider audience so that parents, students, prospective students, educators, policymakers, investors and businesspeople and employers, all of us out there in the wider world who have a stake in what happens inside the academy, would have some idea of what&#8217;s cooking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Becker</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/06/college-students-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Anya, for bringing attention to our review and bringing it to a space where we might have a discussion. I&#039;d be interested in reading a more detailed version of your first sentence. Which criticisms do you accept and which do you reject? You wrote, &quot;...how I should have organized the book (not everyone understands the problems in higher ed as well as education professionals).&quot; I&#039;m not sure how the parenthetical statement follows from the statement about the organization of the book.

Also, WRT choosing between &quot;talking about how institutions are adapting and how people are adapting outside of institutions&quot;...I hope the review doesn&#039;t suggest that you *had to* choose. Rather, the point we tried to make was that the two notions are too frequently co-mingled, and neither is fleshed out enough. I think, as a result, one thing I&#039;m seeing across various reviews, comments, etc. is that it&#039;s never quite clear what &quot;DIY U&quot; *IS*. Is that a fair critique?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Anya, for bringing attention to our review and bringing it to a space where we might have a discussion. I&#8217;d be interested in reading a more detailed version of your first sentence. Which criticisms do you accept and which do you reject? You wrote, &#8220;&#8230;how I should have organized the book (not everyone understands the problems in higher ed as well as education professionals).&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure how the parenthetical statement follows from the statement about the organization of the book.</p>
<p>Also, WRT choosing between &#8220;talking about how institutions are adapting and how people are adapting outside of institutions&#8221;&#8230;I hope the review doesn&#8217;t suggest that you *had to* choose. Rather, the point we tried to make was that the two notions are too frequently co-mingled, and neither is fleshed out enough. I think, as a result, one thing I&#8217;m seeing across various reviews, comments, etc. is that it&#8217;s never quite clear what &#8220;DIY U&#8221; *IS*. Is that a fair critique?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyra Gaunt</title>
		<link>http://diyubook.com/2010/06/college-students-voices/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyra Gaunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to read your book AND thanks so much for promoting ours!! http://www.scribd.com/doc/31610560/Speak-The-Miseducation-of-College-Students</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait to read your book AND thanks so much for promoting ours!! <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/31610560/Speak-The-Miseducation-of-College-Students" rel="nofollow">http://www.scribd.com/doc/31610560/Speak-The-Miseducation-of-College-Students</a></p>
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